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The LIVEJOURNAL ABUSE TEAM is a semi-anonymous group of paid staff and volunteers who exist to make sure that LiveJournal contains as much abuse as possible. It has the minor purpose of performing the minimum necessary under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to keep LiveJournal's corporate ownership from being sued or prosecuted. However, like many Satanically-inspired groups, it has a more important secondary purpose, in this case to create the illusion that there is a mechanism within LiveJournal for redress of grievances.

Made up of members or friends of members of hate-communities (the precise overlap is difficult to discern due to the enforced anonymity), the Abuse Team's Standard Operating Procedure is to respond to complaints of abuse with pompous lectures about freedom of speech in an attempt to make victims feel as if by complaining they are promoting censorship, creating guilt about having complained. The larger goal, however, is to foment feelings of frustration and rage in victims so that they will either internalize them and take them out on themselves (thereby providing ongoing angst and self-damage -- cutting, anorexia, various addictive behaviors -- for which LiveJournal members are best known to the general public), or, better still, commit acts of violence against their tormentors, thereby tattering the fabric of society further than it already is in order to help justify the harsh crime control measures necessary to the modern Republican State.

One of the Abuse Team's proudest accomplishments in this regard is the dot_communities meme, a seemingly never-ending series of communities expressly designed for the purpose of abuse. This successful-beyond-all-estimations meme has so far insured that the goals of the Abuse Team have been met every year since the meme was created, and based on current projections is expected to continue with this success into the foreseeable future.

Current Mood: angryWhat do you *think*?

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From:zarq
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
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*snicker*

I'd say it would probably be considered one-sided. :)

In all seriousness, you're right that LJ Abuse only does the absolute minimum that federal law allows and they are particularly reticent about doing anything that might approach censorship -- even when one would think they would be morally obligated to take action.

Frankly, I'd love to see them add a feature by which we could ban people from friending us.
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From:ex_ciannait
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:07 pm (UTC)
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There is, sort of, if you ban someone in the command console, they are removed from your "friends of" list. You still show up in their friends list, however.
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From:zarq
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:57 pm (UTC)
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AH! That's great to know. Thank you.
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From:strix_an_stones
Date:April 26th, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)
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Another benefit - banned people cannot directly comment to anything you post anywhere. I banned a guy who followed me all over and loved that he started annyoing others by replying to themin hopes I would see his vitriolic crap.
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:46 pm (UTC)

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> I'd say it would probably be considered one-sided. :)


I'd say you're probably right.

Nonetheless, I'm sure that you can see that "morally obligated" and "LiveJournal Abuse Team" are oxymoronic. See my comment to roadskoller underneath my previous journal entry.

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From:entropymagnet
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC)
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This will be deleted from Wikipedia... It will have a permanent, more popular home on Encylopedia Dramatica, though, I promise. It will reach more people. Google for the ED.
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:40 pm (UTC)

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Oh, I didn't seriously intend this for Wikipedia, but many people who would know of it are unfamiliar with either E.D. or Uncyclopedia, hence my title.

I haven't decided whether to submit this to either of those or not, as yet.

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From:entropymagnet
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:44 pm (UTC)
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Seriously, please. I am a recent victim of the LJAT's negligence. Those fuckers.
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 25th, 2006 06:48 pm (UTC)

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Why do you think I wrote this? "Fuckers" is the mildest adjective I can apply to them.

You have my sincere and ongoing sympathy.



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From:davidkevin
Date:April 7th, 2011 09:48 pm (UTC)
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I didn't submit it anywhere else although I did post it to Facebook today after getting a lecture from someone sucking up to these scumbags.
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From:courtney_beth
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:01 pm (UTC)
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There was once a close friend of mine on livejournal who was having her system being hacked and there was a plot to crash her computer. They were talking about this on a locked post but she didn't have access to it.

I contacted LJ abuse about it and they said that the original person had to make the claim, which is great because SHE COULDN'T SEE THE DAMN THING.

What logic do these people use?
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC)

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Not one that's Human, or so it seems to me.

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From:courtney_beth
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
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::nods::

Scott I think is the worst. That man doesn't DO ANYTHING.
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From:chaosdancer
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:07 pm (UTC)
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Well, I'd think it was over the top and downright insane, except that other people seem to be reporting bad experiences with the LJAT as well. I had a friend who was on it once, and I think he left due to issues with them, but went back. But being that this person was an emergency responder in RL, maybe his definition of emergency was somewhat divergent than the typical "USER X SED BAD THNGS ABT ME WAH" complaint they usually get. I mean seriously - for every real issue there are going to be ten thousand wah-babies out there starting flamewars and complaining when someone flames back. After a while, maybe it's not so easy sorting them out. I couldn't do it. And I've had suicide line training. I don't think I could take on the responsibility of determining what was real and what was wank, being that all I'd ever have to go on is what people said. I'm not there - how could I know? You might be delusional. They might be delusional. It's not like there aren't a lot of those folks about, either. How can we know?
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC)

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Ask your friend if he ever saw anyone give the fatuous response "we can't do anything unless they actually jump off the ledge" when a potential suicide attempt was reported by a third party who didn't know the address of the LJ Friend who was threatening to do such.

I did.

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From:chaosdancer
Date:April 25th, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
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I have heard of them sending squads out, though. But what can they do if they don't have the address and can't get the address? What can they do from a distance? They can contact the people - I know they do that. But other than that, what can they do? If I call 911 right now and tell them I have a friend in another city who is threatening suicide but I don't know the address, what would they be able to do?

I've posted my emergency contact information for the LJ abuse team to get if they need to...it probably needs updating right now, as a matter of fact. So if I ever threatened it, they would have the tools they needed to do something, if you or someone else reported me. But that's voluntary. Not everyone does that. What can they do if someone doesn't?
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 25th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)

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It wasn't that they didn't have any contact information, it was that they chose not to use it.

No personal disrespect intended, but I think that anyone who relies on the LJ Abuse Team having emergency access to contact information is in for a dangerous surprise.

In fact, quite bluntly, regardless of the satire at the top, I think some people who rely on their emergency info being available to LJ Abuse are going to wind up dead, in no small part due to LJ Abuse Team malfeasance.



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From:chaosdancer
Date:April 25th, 2006 09:03 pm (UTC)
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Well, frankly, if I'm ever going to really kill myself, I doubt I'd tell anyone first anyway. I'd take a page from the men for this - men tend to do it without saying anything first. And if it was just a "stop me before I do this" thing, I'd wait to hear from all my friends-and-relations before I did anything, half-hoping they'd talk me out of it. (And don't say I'm insensitive or I don't understand...I've been there more times than you know.) So it's not really relevant to me anyway - I did it because one time when they did stop a suicide (which they did used to do, whatever they do now), my friend posted to everyone to please put their contact information there. So I did it. And you never know - it might be useful. Maybe someday Kieran will find me sick and post in my journal to come help me. And I do have faith that someone would come, because they've been there before. But they aren't my last line of defense, by any means.
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 27th, 2006 02:46 am (UTC)
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My impression is that most of the people who post their personal information in a private entry so that LJ Abuse can use the Viewall command to see it in an emergency are doing so so that info can be relayed in the event that they're sufficiently injured or ill so as to be unable to communicate with paramedics or e.r. staff; some people also list information which might be useful in the event of their disappearance due to criminal action.

These are the people who I think are not going to be helped despite their expectations and wishes. My own experience with LJ Abuse is that they don't really give a damn about users, period, and if somebody should really be suffering abuse or be in physical jeopardy they don't consider it their problem, no matter what anybody else thinks they should be doing or what their responsibilities are.

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From:wear_your_rue
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:28 pm (UTC)
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*laughs and applauds*
Yep, pretty much!
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From:azaz_al
Date:April 25th, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
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That is so awesome.
And true.
Considering they've actually supported under "free speech" the existence of communities actively promoting and encouraging their members to commit crimes.
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 27th, 2006 03:30 am (UTC)

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I like how reposting info from a government sex offender website about a User who was about to move in with a pre-teen "boyfriend" was considered violating the User's privacy and the reposter was forced to remove it or be suspended.

LiveJournal: it was MySpace before MySpace was MySpace.

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From:penm
Date:April 25th, 2006 09:28 pm (UTC)
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cutting, anorexia, various addictive behaviors -- for which LiveJournal members are best known to the general public

Hahahahahahahaha, I die.
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From:davidkevin
Date:April 27th, 2006 03:40 am (UTC)

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Thanks -- I was particularly proud of that joke.

I'd post it openly instead of from behind Friend-lock except that past history shows that the "Abuse Team" has a notoriously thin collective skin and has been known to suspend the journals of critics.

Their hypocrisy is just fuckin' amazing.

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From:lotusbiosm
Date:April 26th, 2006 01:38 am (UTC)
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Over the top. And I think that there is not necessarily a connection between incompetence and malicious intent. I don't believe that LJ Abuse wants to encourage people to hurt themselves. I am willing to believe that they are perhaps not as responsive as they should be and do not always resolve complaints to the satisfaction of the involved parties.
I also don't think that there's actually anything inherently wrong with the dot_whatever communities, at least those aimed at snark, when the snark is thereby kept in snark communities and keep the target communities open for actual constructive work. Though this requires that the moderators of said communities keep a tight rein on the members.
But if you're trying to be snarky and faceitious, you've succeeded.
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From:strix_an_stones
Date:April 26th, 2006 03:37 am (UTC)
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Had a side thought: thereby providing ongoing angst and self-damage -- cutting, anorexia, various addictive behaviors -- for which LiveJournal members are best known to the general public

I was on a messageboard service once that used those words as internal red flags for launching complaints to the Federal authorities. It got to the point that we had to build into our spell checker a way to fuzz out words like "cutter" and every imaginable illegal drug as well as popular catch phrases.

In the end... we were doubly screwed when a guy in his forties signed on pretending to be a teenager trolling for marks. Him we had to report and what did we get for being proactive? They locked ups down, scoured the board and deleted our accoutn without refunding any of the money we'd paid just weeks before for keeping us solvent for an entire year. They claimed we violated the TOS by hosting a child sexual predators and didn't get our deposit back. All because we welcomed a guy in the "welcome" area - before we knew what he was.
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From:just_the_ash
Date:April 27th, 2006 08:29 am (UTC)
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An exception to the dot_community hierarchy being jerks is dot_gimp_snark, which is disabled people bitching about either our disabilities themselves ("Dear back, fuck you") or instances of really awful treatment by the ablebodied/able-brained/whatever -- including those who really should know better, like doctors. I have a friend who is over 400 pounds, legitimately because of MEDICAL FREAKING PROBLEMS, and yet nurses take it upon themselves to lecture her about how being overweight is bad. Yeah, world, I think she's noticed.
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